I have to ask...

and please be honest with your responses.

I use Facebook, which can be a fun thing and a really bad thing all at the same time. I love it for connecting with old friends, new friends and current friends, but I hate it for how nosy some people are, I think its odd when people have long, back and forth personal conversations that once upon a time, you used to share via emails! Yeah. Enough on that subject.

Anyway, Ethan is starting Kindergarten in a couple weeks and I've posted about it a few times in the past 3 months. Each time I post about it, I get these very odd comments back, insinuating that its impossible for him to do Kindergarten before he's 5 years old. Like at the age of 5 you magically become smart enough and ready. I was curious, so I drove down to a local elementary school a few weeks ago and said "if my son is 4 1/2 and I wanted him to start school this year, would you let him?" Their answer?... "Yes!" Amazing.

So now I'm really curious why so many of my FB friends seem to think its "impossible" and "unheard of" to have him start 5 months before he turns 5.
Then I get the underline feeling that they all think I'm rushing him. Haha! I seriously have to laugh. I am in no hurry for Ethan to be the smartest kid in the class, get ahead or run off to college when he's 12. No hurry at all. My kids will each be encouraged to thoroughly enjoy their childhoods and embrace being young and free. We are not crazy into sports like so many in our culture and are very excited to let them be young and carefree (without such a hectic daily schedule to keep) as long as possible. When they want to start playing in sports, taking extra classes in areas they enjoy, they will ask and we will let them. Life passes too quickly and all that stuff will bombard them eventually. I'm just not a fan of kids growing up before they should and have seen it backfire in adulthood way too many times.

Ethan has been realizing, from watching us read to him, that when you take single letters and put each sound together, they make words! He just gets it. He sits in the car and studies words outside the car and begins correctly reading what he's seeing. A few weeks ago I said something like "No, buddy... I had 3 of them but Rache took one so now I have 2." He stared at me for a long time and then came over and said "So if I had 5 and I lost 2 then I have 3?" Wow.
Since then he's been having fun with adding and subtracting everywhere we go.

That said... I'm still curious why it seems like in the year 2009, going to Kindergarden 5 months before you turn 5 is so weird to so many people. I was 4 1/2, Jason was 4 1/2 and several other adults I know were 4 1/2, a couple were even 4.
Didn't realize I was breaking any laws :)

I did notice one thing - all the people that have made comments were public school kids. So now I'm wondering if its just not what their schools did, but being home schooled I always got to see my Mom do what was best for each one of us, individually and not as a group of 15+ kids.
I did go to public school Kindergarten, but 1st grade on, was home schooled.

I had to laugh last night because lately I see all these commercials about "send your child to pre-school or he/she won't do well in college" But then people hear your son is starting Kindergarden 5 months before he turns 5 and they all begin to freak out -- what?

Anyway, I was really curious and wanted to know what you all thought.

Comments

Stef said…
I think I should clarify... when I checked with the local school, near my house, they told me that they are allowed to say no to your almost 5 year old, if they have no room at their school or they test your child and he/she is not ready.
She said that the reason there is a "law" set into place, is just to help them keep control over their schools.
She pointed out, however, that with homeschool you can pretty much do whatever you want. Oh, the joy. :)
She said that you can have them tested yearly, to make sure they're keeping up with school kids. She said they used to allow 4 1/2 year olds, even 4 year olds to start Kindergarten, but it got to be too overwhelming and they had several law suits due to turning away some and not others. So the law was set into place.

Anyways...
Jodi said…
I'm confused - are you homeschooling?? Emily went to kindergarten early too - she turned 5 Sept 29. Collin turned 5 the day before kindergarten started. There is no way they could have waited a year. Especially after 2 years of preschool. 5 months seems like a lot though -- from what I know they have to be 5 by Dec 2 - will he be 5 by then? From what I've seen through now 4 years of working in my kids classrooms -- 99% of the time I can pick out the kid that is young. They are generally smaller, less mature (mostly the maturity is an issue), etc. In kindergarten through maybe 2nd grade, 5 months makes a huge difference. I started my kids early, but there are many kids who shouldn't be started. And I tried to find you on fb to follow the surgery and couldn't find you anywhere!
Stef said…
Yes, we're home schooling. Its funny you used that example of your kids being so close to turning 5 and the schools allowing them to come in. A friend of mine just told me that her friend's son was 3 weeks from turning 5 and the school said no. TRY A NEW SCHOOL! :)

I've seen the same thing you're talking about (maturity wise) when we do things like VBS at our church. Its so obvious when a child is just way too young to be in a certain class. I have no idea how Ethan would do in an actual Kindergarten class... most of his friends are 5-7 years old and we don't notice a difference with him and the 5 year olds, but who knows.

I just friended you on FB :)
Jodi said…
See, now that's crazy - I thought they HAD to let you start, as long as you met the Dec 2 cut off date in CA...
I am wondering if some people are making comments because he is a BOY and starting early. I have been told by many people that boys would be better off to start later rather than early. They think that the maturity is lacking with boys. However, I don't think that is the case.

I am pretty sure that here in Sac that you would need to be 5 by December in order to start Kindergarten. If you are homeschooling, I don't think it really matters. You can tailor his education to meet his individual needs. I would venture to say that Rachel will probably be ready to start Kindergarten next year. She will want to keep up with her brother. She would be starting TEN months early. Gasp!!! :)

You are doing what is right for your family. That is all that counts :)
Lizzy said…
I think you are right, Stef, in that alot of this thinking is directed by the "norm" of public education. I would say, though, that it would be wise not to tell Ethan that he will be in Kindergarten. You don't want to contradict one of the advantages of home education by setting yourself in an artificial timetable (and possibly needing to repeat a grade and then explain all of that). I refuse to tell my children what grade they are in until much older, even when they try to insist on it. They do many different grade levels of academics. If they need to be "in a grade", for Sunday School, etc., put them at their social maturity, not academic. They are often very different,especially in the early years.
Stef said…
Thanks, Mrs Lutz! I had actually thought about that the other day and wondered about it. My Mom did the same thing and I learned to appreciate it. Especially since we're not starting super hard core. He's been doing pre-school type work with me 2 days a week, so for Kindergarten we're going to up it to 3 days a week. I don't think its necessary to bombard them with so much school. I also read an article that said for 5 and 6 year olds, you never want to make them sit and work on one thing longer than 15-25 minutes or you will often drive them away from having joy in that.
I really want my kids to enjoy school and desire to learn more. I'm sure I'll make plenty of mistakes along the way, but hopefully it will be a learning process for all of us :)
Krista said…
I think most of the surprised comments maybe are coming from people who think he is GOING to Kindergarten?? Otherwise, what is the issue- because you will and can tailor his learning to his unique ability. So, age/maturity is not an issue... especially since he will be with his siblings and not a whole bunch of kids who he might have trouble interacting with. And maybe I don't think it's a big deal because of what my Mom said, what do grades mean for homeschoolers anyway? So when I hear that he is going into Kindergarten, all that says to me is you are planning on taking time out for specific learning/teaching time. And what could be the issue with that? I think you can start doing that at a very young age! Like you said, just be aware of their attention span and don't push it! Good luck with everything.
Stef said…
Sadly Krista, its always after I tell them I'm homeschooling. They shoot out "well, that's illegal! You can't start schooling him until he's 5." and thus the conversation ensues.
Krista said…
It's ILLEGAL?!?! What in the WORLD? Uh, hum, how to respond to that... no it's not! This is just weird. Really really weird.

Here, I looked it up: General Rules found here: http://www.cde.ca.gov/ci/gs/em/kinderinfo.asp

Private School Considerations: Private schools do not necessarily operate under the same requirements as public schools, but representatives of the California Association of Private Schools Organizations (CAPSO) indicate many private schools do follow Education Code sections referenced in this document. If children have been admitted as three- or four-year olds to private school kindergarten, it is their parents'/guardian's responsibility to monitor their children's emotional and physical responses to the accelerated curriculum.
Jessica said…
First off, it does annoy me when people try to make plans with me through FB because I have to go back through FB to reply. But I bet our parents, and especially our grandparents, feel annoyed how we use Email and texting instead of calling people. :)
On the second issue, I laugh too. We do not challenge - let me correct - expect enough from our kids anymore. Think of the Hebrew children tradition. They have the Torah memorized by 12. And we teach our kids "dumbed down" versions of Bible verses bc we don't think they will be able to do it. A book I found interesting is "Do Hard Things". It was written by teenage brothers to encourage other teenagers - so it addresses the so-called teenage years, not quite where you are at, but still, they had some valid points.
Gina said…
I totally agree w/ Mary Anne. It's a wise choice to "label" your kids the grade that they would be in according to the public school system not by their achievements. For a homeschooler, the grade level won't mean much, but in the community, it's quite the defining factor. Even for things like AWANA, you'll need an appropriate grade label. But overall, you do what your kids need academically--either advanced or a little slower. And no one needs to be the wiser, not even the child. Maturity is always a consideration when having your children participate in activites. But in my experience, homeschooled kids have a better maturity level (on the average) b/c they are not age segregated in the classroom (which comprises much of their day) like the public school kids. The only legality to be aware of is filing your PSA, which you don't need to right now but will need to by the time Ethan is 6. Too many ignorant people don't realize what homeschooling is all about and have preconceived notions, which is where the comments come from. You can choose to educate them, or ignore them (politely). :-) In any case, have fun with your kids! School is wonderfully simple at their ages!
Stef said…
Krista, I tend to get a lot of "in your face" argumentative comments thrown my way and a TON of unsolicited advice b/c of the reason my friend Gina gave me yesterday... I put those bold, blunt questions/comments out there. When it comes to politics, Spiritual matter, holidays we don't celebrate, having a large family, the way my kids eat, the fact that we spank, we home school, etc... they're generally things people are pretty quiet about and my big mouth just gets me into trouble.
Stef said…
we're having the all famous "Jessica" problem again. You girls with that name need to sign your last name for me. I know 7 of you and I love knowing which one of you left the comment! :)
Charlotte said…
One thing you could do that I have done is just tell people that you are starting 'home school work' with him. Maybe when you say starting Kindergarten, it puts an idea in some people's minds of going to school and for some reason they think a 4 3/4 year old can not do it.

I don't have my kids in a 'grade', we just plug along at their pace. So they are all over the place...my 9 year old might be doing 5th grade math but 3rd grade grammar. But I do tell them what grade they are in based on their age, so that they can tell the nice cashier lady in the store who asks.

You are doing a great job, Stef! Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.
Anonymous said…
Stef, I'm glad you are starting kindergarten with Ethan. He is obviously ready....what a smarty you have!!!
I definitely think that if you were putting him in public school there would be different issues. Usually it involves emotional maturity. I don't know Ethan so he might have been up for that too.
I'm doing little kindergarten things with my 4 1/2 year old because I see that she is capable.
One thing another homeschool mom told me about teaching kindergarten is make is FUN!!! I really took that to heart and made that more of my focus than book learning. It set the tone for the other years I noticed.
Can't wait to hear how your homeschooling year goes. We are having a blast with ours!!!
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